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I liked Batman Animated. One of my associates was the top animator under Bruce Timm and the biggest credit next to him on Mask of the Phantasm.
I just saw one I never had seen this weekend, and loved it.
It's hard not to like Poison Ivy in light of worse things in the world:
Originally aired: Monday May 2, 1994 on FOX
Writer: Paul Dini
Director: Boyd Kirkland
Show Stars: Richard Moll (Harvey Dent), Lloyd Bochner (Mayor Hamilton Hill), Edward Asner ((voice) Roland Daggett), Loren Lester (Dick Grayson / Robin), Bob Hastings (Commissioner Jim Gordon), Efrem Zimbalist Jr. (Alfred Pennyworth), Kevin Conroy (Bruce Wayne / Batman)
All Guest Stars: Robert Costanzo (Detective Harvey Bullock), Diane Pershing (Poison Ivy) , Peter Strauss (Dr. Steven Carlyle), Christopher Pickering (Kelly Carlyle), Paul Makauchi (Doctor), Megan Mullally (Cindy), Scott McAfee (Chris Carlyle), Jim Cummings (Saunders)
Production Code: 570
Poison Ivy appears to have gone straight and become suburban homemaker, nevertheless Batman suspects her of a series of plant based crimes in Gotham City.
Episode Notes
In Poison Ivy's photo album there is a picture of Harvey Dent when he approved the construction of Arkham Asylum leading to the eradication of a flower species, which made Poison Ivy try to kill him. You can see also a photo of that flower (these events took place in "Pretty Poison"). There is also a photo of Ivy and Harley from the episode "Harley and Ivy" where they became friends.
Episode Quotes
Poison Ivy: I meant it when I said I wanted a family that loves me... I just wanted it on my terms.
Robin: Lady... you're nuts.
Poison Ivy: Well that's your opinion - probably the last one you'll ever have too.
I just saw one I never had seen this weekend, and loved it.
It's hard not to like Poison Ivy in light of worse things in the world:
Originally aired: Monday May 2, 1994 on FOX
Writer: Paul Dini
Director: Boyd Kirkland
Show Stars: Richard Moll (Harvey Dent), Lloyd Bochner (Mayor Hamilton Hill), Edward Asner ((voice) Roland Daggett), Loren Lester (Dick Grayson / Robin), Bob Hastings (Commissioner Jim Gordon), Efrem Zimbalist Jr. (Alfred Pennyworth), Kevin Conroy (Bruce Wayne / Batman)
All Guest Stars: Robert Costanzo (Detective Harvey Bullock), Diane Pershing (Poison Ivy) , Peter Strauss (Dr. Steven Carlyle), Christopher Pickering (Kelly Carlyle), Paul Makauchi (Doctor), Megan Mullally (Cindy), Scott McAfee (Chris Carlyle), Jim Cummings (Saunders)
Production Code: 570
Poison Ivy appears to have gone straight and become suburban homemaker, nevertheless Batman suspects her of a series of plant based crimes in Gotham City.
Episode Notes
In Poison Ivy's photo album there is a picture of Harvey Dent when he approved the construction of Arkham Asylum leading to the eradication of a flower species, which made Poison Ivy try to kill him. You can see also a photo of that flower (these events took place in "Pretty Poison"). There is also a photo of Ivy and Harley from the episode "Harley and Ivy" where they became friends.
Episode Quotes
Poison Ivy: I meant it when I said I wanted a family that loves me... I just wanted it on my terms.
Robin: Lady... you're nuts.
Poison Ivy: Well that's your opinion - probably the last one you'll ever have too.
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Re: Just saw this one
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 5:53 PMI remember this episode being one of my favorites.
It was haunting and sad at the same time.
I didnt feel that Ivy was a villain in the traditional sense. It showed more of a wounded depth in her persona.
In that vein I feel thats what has always made Batman villains more interesting; having human weakness. Being more realistic than just wanting to be the guy/girl who "offed" thier nemesis. -
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Re: Just saw this one
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 11:17 AMMarvel started making villians and heroes more realistic, not in 1961, but in 1939, with Bill Everett's Sub Mariner.
Dr. Doom and Reed Richards could have been juxtaposed if things had played out slightly differently.
Still, Poison Ivy and Catwoman are villians, but to get technical, Marvel blurs the line with killer such as The Punisher and Wolverine, who have killed children when they feel justified. -
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Re: Just saw this one
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 12:02 PMGood points.
When I think on it now, I think I just like the Bat-verse (if you will) villains more.
I used to like the Magneto/Professor X duality that the two seemed to share. But it's just gotten so dragged out. That, however, I think is my distast in the industries inability to allow characters to grow and change. I know it all revolves around sales (never letting a title have an end unless the sales are too low), but ultimately, a good story has depth and change. Granted, Magneto has changed MUCH over the years. I guess I would just like to see things "Wrap-up". And if that meant no more X books? OK. As long as the story is worth telling.
Sorry to rant. Just some thoughts :)
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Re: Just saw this one
Fri, December 16, 2005 - 10:54 AMIn the old days, gimmicks were effective when the artists went to WW2 and they grabbed anyone who could write or draw, and didn't have faith in the stories and art.
Now, it takes much to change or evolve a character, as licsensing is paramount, always so with real people and big characters, and now so with the Marvel and DC universes.
It takes much thought to find a good way to make Magneto and Catwoman more heroic, but deal with slow time, as on The Simpsons.
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